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RAES4BOYS
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2/19/08 12:12 P

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I totally forgot about the cancer link.

Ninevah, your midwife has so many great ideas!


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NINEVEHPARKER
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2/19/08 12:06 P

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Thanks Sara!
My Midwife suggested drinking Alfalfa tea for boost in Vit. K predelivery.....But this is very helpful thanks!
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Little Arielle was born at 8:50AM pacific time. My contractions began at midnight this morning April20th, and after 30mins of pushing she blopped out before the midwife arrived LOL!!!! She is a perfect little 7lb 10oz. 20inch baby girl, and had no problems latching (phew)
I will have pictures as soon as i get some ZZZZZZZssss....(Oh and I had no tearing )
My little fullmoon baby :)

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SARAH_C
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2/17/08 11:10 P

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Ninevah, here's some info on Vit K that I had socked away in my Community Journal on my BabyPage. I didn't know I had a choice when I had my 1st baby & after researching it, declined Vit K w/ 2nd & 3rd babies (did not have DS circ'ed).

Here's one link that outlines the Vitamin K debate (but there are lots more articles on it if you Google it):

http://tinyurl.com/95ac9

Newborns have a naturally low level of Vit K in their bodies, and esp when breastfed, those K levels do go up later. Vit K is essential to blood clotting, and there is a rare newborn condition with hemorraging that proponents of the shot say would be helped/prevented by the K shot. My conclusion is that God did not design our bodies to be flawed and malfunctioning until finally the pharmaceutical companies came to the rescue with these shots to save all of mankind. If babies were designed that way, then there must be some purpose that scientists just don't understand. Our bodies are so complex that scientists just don't know it all. Like the article says, "Studies have shown that physiological levels of vitamin K maintain a careful balance between coagulation and anti-coagulation and we have no idea what the effects of upsetting that delicate balance would be."

Plus, I believe that our bodies know the difference between synthetic and naturally produced chemicals. From everything I have researched, I don't think the body processes fake Vit K made in a lab the same way that it processes real vit K made in your body. They are not even the same chemical compound. I have come to the same conclusion about vitamin supplements.

This article is long, but thorough. States the link between the K shot and prophylaxis, as well as possible childhood cancers. "If IM vitamin K caused cancer, there would be 100 extra cases of cancer per case of HDN prevented. 16 This could mean that giving IM vitamin K to every baby would be doing more harm than good."

We decided to have the Vit K shot present at the birth, and decline it if there were no risk factors. We decided that the benefits would be worth the risks if my baby had hemorraging or some other risk factors. We didn't have any risk factors, and declined the Vit K with our 2nd and 3rd babies.

Here's another link from a natural health site, states a possible 80% increased chance of developing childhood leukemia from the Vit K injection.

http://tinyurl.com/7ntms

Here is an excerpt from "How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of your Doctor" by Dr. Robert S. Mendolsohn:

"Many doctors routinely give vitamin K to newborn babies because they have been taught that infants are born with a deficiency of this vitamin, which influences how rapidly the baby's blood will clot. That's nonsense, unless the mother is severely malnourished; but most doctors do it anyway. Administration of vitamin K may produce jaundice, which prompts the pediatrician to treat it with bilirubin lights (phototherapy). These lights expose the baby to a dozen documented hazards that may require him still further treatment and possibly affect him his entire life".

Here is an excerpt from "Child Health Guide-Holistic Pediatrics for Parents" by Dr. Randall Neustaedter

" An injection of vitamin K (1 mg) is routinely administered to all newborns to prevent unexpected bleeding caused by low levels of vitamin K dependent blood clotting factors. Vitamin K is present in green vegetables, vegetable oils, and dairy products, but intake or supplementation during pregnancy does not ensure prevention of vitamin K deficiency in newborns. The syndrome of vitamin K deficiency bleeding (VKDB) occurs in approx. one in 10,000 babies. VKDB is typically separated into three catagories (early, classic, and late) depending on the age of the infant at onset. Early bleeding, within the first 24 hours after birth , cannot be prevented with a injection of vitamin K. Classic hemorrageic disease begins on days one to seven, and bleeding usually occurs in the gastrointestinal tract, the skin, the nose, or from a circumcision. Vitamin k, given by injection or orally improves blood coagulation, and both methods of administration are presumed to be effective in the prevention of this type of bleeding. Late hemorrhagic disease occurs from week two through twelve. Half of these affected babies suffer sudden bleeding in the brain, and 20 percent of affected babies die. Studies have shown that a single dose of vitamin K or oral dose of vitamin K given at birthresults in adequate coagulation status and vitamin K levels for up to three months following birth. Interestingly, clinical studies have found that infants given three, weekly oral doses of vitamin K (1 mg) have higher vitamin K levels at two weeks and two months compared to infants given a single vitamin K injection at birth, though their coagulation status showed no differences.
Oral administration of vitamin K is as effective as an injection in maintaining adequate levels of vitamin K in the baby's bloodstream and in maintaining adequate coagulation status. It is assumed that maintenance of these blood levels will prevent bleeding, though complete clinical studies to determine effectiveness have not been accomplished because studies in a disease this rare are prohibitively expensive.
Injected vitamin K ran into a problem when researchers in 1990 noted an increased incidence of childhood cancer in children given vitamin K injections at birth. Specifically, they found that injected vitamin k doubled the incidence of leukemia in children younger than age 10. A subsequent study in 1992 revealed the same association between injected vitamin K and cancer, but no such association with oral vitamin K . These researchers recommended exclusive use of oral vitamin K.
Since vitamin K given within twelve hours of birth can reduce the risk of VKDB, it seems prudent to give an oral dose of 1-2 mg. Injections of vitamin K are painful and can cause bruising at the injection site. there may also be an increased risk of cancer associated with vitamin K injections".

You can usually get the drops from a midwife or from a birthing supply company cause peds won't carry it. One place you can get it is www.birthwithlove.com .


Also, if you are expecting a boy and if you choose to have him circumcized, have it done on the 8th day of life, as God commanded the Jews. Turns out God knew what He was talking about: the vitamin K levels in a newborn are low at birth, but raise by the 8th day.

from Michael Odent:

http://www.mothering.com/section
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itamink


What are the risks/benefits to letting your baby have a shot of vitamin K after birth?

Today there are many reasons to de-dramatize the topic and to reassure at the same time the parents who are inclined to refuse the shot and also those who prefer to do it.

To the parents who refuse the injection, we can say that they don't take a great risk, since the chances of their breastfed baby having a hemorrhagic disease related to vitamin K deficiency is in the region of one in 15,000. It is even probable that the risks are still lower if the birth and the initiation of lactation were undisturbed. My view is that vitamin K deficiency of breastfed babies is probably no more physiological than the weight loss in newborn babies. After thousands of years of culturally controlled childbirth and lactation, we usually underestimate the amount of 'colostral milk', and therefore of vitamin K, a human baby has been programmed to consume during the first days following birth.

A well-constructed Japanese study showed that babies who consume 350 ml of breast milk in the first three days following birth are protected against vitamin K deficiency. Let us also remember that vitamin K deficiency is unheard of among formula fed babies.

Some parents who accepted the injection might feel guilty or anxious afterwards when hearing about two British studies suggesting that vitamin K injected at birth (not vitamin K given orally) is a risk factor for cancer in childhood. These parents must be reassured as well because the British findings have not been confirmed by other studies, particularly a huge authoritative Swedish study involving more than one million children. However one cannot hide the fact that the routine injection of 1 mg of vitamin K at birth is always associated with the injection of 10 mg propylene glycol and 5 mg phenol, the effects of which are unknown.




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NONSEQUITUR
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2/17/08 10:12 A

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We didn't have vit K given to Colin after his birth, but his birth was pretty easy. We had his newborn metabolic screening done when he was 6 days old and there was no problem with bleeding. Clotted just fine.

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NINEVEHPARKER
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2/16/08 6:36 P

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Thanks you all for you comments, it seems like I will play it by ear depending on the birth...but it sounds like there is not really any severe consequences to the treatment. Thanks again!
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Little Arielle was born at 8:50AM pacific time. My contractions began at midnight this morning April20th, and after 30mins of pushing she blopped out before the midwife arrived LOL!!!! She is a perfect little 7lb 10oz. 20inch baby girl, and had no problems latching (phew)
I will have pictures as soon as i get some ZZZZZZZssss....(Oh and I had no tearing )
My little fullmoon baby :)

Baby #1 DD: Arielle: EDD: April 15th, 2008

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DALILA747
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2/16/08 1:25 P

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I will be giving it to my son if it's a very long birth or if there is any type of birth trauma, just to be on the safe side. Otherwise, I'll pass.


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2/16/08 12:33 A

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I wasn't going to do it with either, but we did it with both.

With dd, she had them because I was out of it after the c/s, but she did have molding and a bit of bruising, so in retrospect it was good.

With DS, it was long pushing face, and my MW recommended them, along with the neo, who also felt itwas good b/c of his specific circumstances, so we did it too.

had they (both) been uneventful births, we would have declined.


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2/15/08 8:04 P

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we did the oral drps with some of out homebirths, because they were very long or there was bruising.

I think if there is an indication to use it, then you should.

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NINEVEHPARKER
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2/15/08 6:40 P

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Hi,
I was discussing with my midwife regarding the necessity of VitaminK. What are your opinions?
I'm all for letting nature take its course but I also want make an informed decision. Are there any negative side effects?

Thanks!
Nineveh Parker




Little Arielle was born at 8:50AM pacific time. My contractions began at midnight this morning April20th, and after 30mins of pushing she blopped out before the midwife arrived LOL!!!! She is a perfect little 7lb 10oz. 20inch baby girl, and had no problems latching (phew)
I will have pictures as soon as i get some ZZZZZZZssss....(Oh and I had no tearing )
My little fullmoon baby :)

Baby #1 DD: Arielle: EDD: April 15th, 2008

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