I agree, it shouldn't be up to the government to decide what is best for us. I tried breastfeeding. Saria wouldn't keep the nipple in her mouth. The lactation consultant couldn't even get her to keep it in her mouth. I worked with the LC the whole time I was in the hospital and to no avail...we had to give Saria something to eat. Some mothers simply can't, some mothers are uncomfortable with it, and others just don't want to. No matter what the reason, it's the mothers personal choice. Not something the government should decide for us. If they want to help they need to get cracking on all these abused, homeless and starving children. At least we're feeding ours.
As for benefits, breast is best. But Saria has been formula fed pretty much since she was born and she's only had the sniffles twice that only lasted a few days, NO ear infections and has been a pretty healthy non-sick baby.
Edited by: SWEETTIGERESS at: 8/29/2008 (13:36)
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PREGO01
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8/29/08 11:06 A
It is every womans choice to decided what they feel is best for themselves and the baby. However almost all of the free breastfeeding materials are produced by the formula companys, So there information is written with the hope of the mother not being successful at breastfeeding.
Personaly I give my daughter what after my own reasearch feel is best for her. She is now 1 yr old and still nursing strong.
We have definatly seen the benifits of it as she has only had a very mild cold once that lasted under 2 days and no other illness
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8/29/08 10:50 A
I agree with most posters here - this wasn't to provoke an argument, it was simply a vent and I am with you 100% on that vent! I also have 3 kids and my 4th I may not BF at all. Not that it matters, but with my hectic schedule and the horrible nightmares I went through switching all my kids from BF to bottles I seriously doubt I'll BF again. Formula has all the necessary nutrients our children need. If it didn't - they wouldn't sell it!
I subscribe to Mothering Magazine - Natural Family Living. I think this is a great post and a great debate (as long as it is done respectfully). From what I have read on the topic the purpose of removing the samples, etc. is more of a political reason. Pro-breastfeeing organizations (aka Lactivists) feel that providing those free samples undermines breastfeeding initiatives. It is an interesting article if you want to read it.
I agree, it is a personal decision and the right of every mother to decide. But from my personal experience bf is looked down upon. My dh was formula fed and his entire family was too. His Dad constantly makes comments and jokes about bf. Now that Rocco is over a year everyone thinks I should stop bf. It just seems like people around me are ignorant about bf. I think that if I didn't have support from my sisters and aunts on my side I would find it VERY DIFFICULT to continue bf or to even start bf. Women need support either way. Even when I bf in public I feel like it is something that I should feel shame about and "hide". Bf is natural. I just don't understand the controversy behind bf your baby in public....just puzzles me.
Edited by: KOBRIEN at: 8/25/2008 (16:21)
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8/23/08 11:11 A
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8/23/08 9:26 A
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8/23/08 6:39 A
Weird how old discussions drift to the top from time to time.
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Posts: 193
8/3/07 5:23 P
No the government doesn't have to tell me how to feed my child. But, if I'm in a hosptial and relying on the hospital to provide my child with nutrition if I decide to formula feed while I'm there AND paying for it, or if I'm breast feeding AND paying for medical care, yes, I need to have an educational component/information so I can make the best decision. No one's handing anyone anything.
I work with low income women and they need the assistance. They do not have access to the same information you or I would/do..lack of resources. I personally don't need the government to tell me how to take care of my child; HOWEVER, those that need the extra help should have it.
I see it everyday and can tell you that without educational components to go along with supporting the initiative, it will fail. The bottom line is about the babies getting whatever it is they need to be healthy, whether it be breast or formula.
Edited by: FIRSTBORN07 at: 8/3/2007 (18:26)
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8/3/07 1:28 P
She's right to be upset about the lack of information regarding formula feeding. I personally will be breastfeeding and I know I'd be outraged if the hospitals suddenly stopped providing info about that. Government agencies, hospitals, etc need to provide extensive information regarding both formula and breastfeeding so that women can make their own educated decision. There does seem to be a big movement for pro-breastfeeding lately and while I'm happy for the support, I don't feel that formula fed babies are being shafted nutrition-wise.
SHANWILCOX
Posts: 16
8/2/07 10:14 P
As a soon to be first time mom (39 weeks now) and a former breast reduction patient, i dont know if i can breast feed. I hate to think any woman is forced to BF or not to BF. Its a personal choice and sometimes there are medical reasons one cant BF. I know in my hospital prenatal, when i asked what if i dont produce enough milk, what is the best type of formula to buy- the nurse said that not producing enough milk is pretty much a myth and would not comment on a type of formula. We have all heard breast is best, but what if you cant, dont want to etc. Who am i to take another womans choice away? Soi say do what makes you comfortable.
JUSTINEMESA
Posts: 41
8/2/07 10:12 P
Okay, since when is it the hospital or government's job to inform you how to feed your baby??? Is it just me, here people? If you plan to breastfeed, there are plenty of resources to learn how to do so... if you plan to formula-feed, there are plenty of resources to learn how to do so... what does it change if you don't recieve a sample of formula??? It's sad we've come to expect things to be handed to us. Why should hospitals be reqired to send you home or provide you and your baby formula? You're still going to have to buy it if you plan to feed it to your baby. What did they do back in the day of no formula? Did they send you home with a wet-nurse? Nope, you still had to pay for her. I just don't get what the big deal is. It is a personal choice, but it's also a personal choice how YOU eat... should you be mad at the FDA for putting out info like 'whole grains are better for you', just because you may like refined white bread or rice instead??? Nobody is keeping you from buying white bread.
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8/2/07 3:47 P
From what I read in the paper today (yes they are removing formula samples from the hospital here too!) is that more women would bf if they felt like they had the support to do it! Like a Pp with the ,museum worker- no one bottle feeding would ever be asked to feed LO in the bathroom! I agree that it is the family decision to breast or bottle feed- neither choice should have the end result of making mom feel like she is a criminal!
So I guess I understand the reasons for the movement but I think it has taken too long to come about! I hope more will try bf- even if it is not their final decision- there is nothing lost by trying it for a couple of days- that way baby at least gets the colostrum- which is very healthy!
Good luck- whatever decision you make- I have both ff baby's (he's now 20 and very healthy) and bf baby's that are also very healthy! But as you said it was my choice to make.
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I'm sure I would feel differently about this issue if I were on the opposite side from what the government legislates in some of these silly issues.
I would like to think that this has a potential benefit to people in that the government is trying to educate people with this legislation. In the case of smoking in public, banning trans fats in restaurants, banning soft drinks in school vending machines, seat belt laws, etc. I understand that people are free to make these choices, but in many cases I think maybe they truly aren't aware of the damage being done by their actions. While this doesn't apply to breastfeeding specifically, things like medical bills due to people not wearing their seat belts, or choosing to smoke and affecting their health and the health of their families- it is something that negatively affects society as a whole and legislation could reduce to negative effects.
Maybe the hospitals feel that many women are not well-educated on the benefits of breastfeeding because the formula samples and stuff are so readily available and in some cases, pushed on new moms. So I'd like to think they're coming from a good place in trying to educate. That being said, I still think women have a right to choose.
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8/2/07 3:20 P
Is anyone getting pressure from Dr's, friend's, family that feel you "should" be B/F'ding your baby? Luckily I haven't this time around, but with DD #1 we had several friends that I finally stopped speaking to because I was tired of being told I was wrong/misinformed/or depriving my baby of something....
While I do conceed that breastmilk is nature's ideal food for your LO, it appears from pp posts that many of us were raised on formula with no ill effects, and formula's have been improved so much in the last 30 yrs to be more similar to breastmilk.
This is a personal choice for everyone (and a highly emotionally charged issue) - I would be a miserable mommy if I had(or were going to) B/F...but, I'm apparently a selfish person...I love my babies, but after 9 (10 actually) months of everything revolving around them and having no control or say over my body/food/drink/entertainment (etc) choices...once she's here, my body needs to be mine again...I would way rather formula feed my LO and enjoy the amazing bonding experience feeding is, rather than resent her for needing to be 'attached' to my chest, but that's just me....my personal opinion is do whatever is right for you and your baby to be happy & healthy...and try not to let other people's judegements affect your decisions...
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Posts: 193
8/2/07 2:59 P
I am so glad someone posted this issue. I believe it is the woman's choice. Although breastfeeding is supposed to be the best choice, not every woman can or wants to. It doesn't mean the mom loves her child any less.
After recently giving birth to my first child, I felt forced to breast feed. I had every intention to breast feed and tried after having a difficult birth experience (pre-eclampsia) which resulted in a c-section, but my milk was coming in slow and I mean slow! At the hospital I needed to supplement and they only wanted me to give my LO 20 ML. Well, the poor kid cried and cried because he was hungry.
I became so depressed and overwhelmed from 1. having a different birth experience than expected, 2. hurting and being bloated and having difficulties with high blood pressure, 3. from the overwhleming realization of becoming a parent, and 4. from the pressure to breast feed from the nurses, lactation consultants and even the nurses at my OB's office.
This impacted my ability to produce milk. Now, I am continuing breast AND supplement, but am planning to stop soon because of health related reasons...needing to change blood pressure meds.
Breastfeeding works for some, but not for all. Plus, the educational component BEFORE the mother has her child is necessary and the proper support after the mom goes home. In addition, lower income moms may lack the support to breast feed exclusively.
I, too, am bothered by the ability of government to dictate whether or not a woman breast or bottle feeds. I was a bottle fed baby and am doing very well according to society's standards.
Edited by: FIRSTBORN07 at: 8/2/2007 (15:06)
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Posts: 343
8/2/07 11:17 A
kadynsmom - you have very good points.
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Posts: 244
8/2/07 10:01 A
I think the issue that is being addressed here is not that moms should be forced or coerced into breastfeeding. The issue is one of marketing.
Hospitals will absolutely still have formula. Should a mother choose to formula feed or not be able to breastfeed, she should and will absolutely have access to formula while in the hospital. It's just that it won't be the freebie samples, but rather supplies that the hospital has purchased. It's rather like the hospital purchasing mild baby shampoo to wash your baby's hair with instead of getting a bunch of free samples from a major shampoo company and advertising them all over the mother-baby unit.
The issue is like PP said, that there really isn't a lot of marketing for breastfeeding, at least not like there is for formula feeding. There are companies that make oodles of money each year selling formula - thus the reason they have and spend huge marketing budgets giving out all kinds of free samples all the time.
There are two problems with the formula companies marketing via the hospitals, as I see it. First of all, women in the hospital take what the hospital stuff tells them, gives them, etc., as medical advice. So, the hospital sending all women home with formula samples is not really appropriate on many levels. While formula is appropriate for feeding a baby, it is not, medically speaking, the most appropriate way of feeding a baby, and women should not be lead to believe that the medicine indicates that formula is better or equal to breast milk, directly (through someone saying so) or indirectly (through receiving a bunch of formula). This is allowing the multi-million dollar formula companies to compromise children's health via the medical institution, which should really be providing mothers with factual information about what is truly healthiest, which is usually breast milk but not always.
Also, as women go home from the hospital with every intention of breastfeeding, but they struggle in the early days, having a bag full of formula is such a temptation. And once you start the baby on formula, it becomes increasingly difficult to continue breastfeeding, especially if you haven't consulted with a lactation consultant, pediatrician, etc. first. The formula companies know this!!!! That is why they spend so much money on this type of marketing. They are not concerned about helping mothers who legitimately can't breastfeed (and those women certainly have access to formula besides the freebies from the hospital) - they are concerned about making money, and they take advantage of women when they are vulnerable and struggling to do so.
I do not condemn any mother for breast or bottle feeding - it is a personal choice. But that is not the issue here.
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8/2/07 9:40 A
The formula samples tend to be more readily available to new parents than the breastfeeding info / samples due to the fact that the formula companies see it as a way to advertise, as well as foster brand loyalty early-on. It is the same idea as the coupons and free samples that are available for diapers from Pampers, Huggies, Luvs, etc. If those samples are not available at your area hospital anymore, it does not mean that they will not be available at all. If the company feels that it is worthwhile to distribute them, then you may still be able to get samples from your OB or pediatricians office, or from signing up at the websites for the different companies. (I've already recieved 3 samples of different formulas, not to mention diapers, wipes, baby wash and lotion, just by visiting the manufacturer's websites.)
Since there is less of a market for breastfeeding than bottle-feeding - yes, you do purchase breast pads, nursing bras, etc, but it IS cheaper to breast feed than bottle feed - the hospital may be trying to "level the playing field", as there is likely little to no finding or freebies on the breast side.
Anyway, it is always nice to get free samples, but if they aren't available at your hospital anymore, it doesn't mean that they are not available at all. It also may be the hospital's decision about whether or not to distribute the samples that are offered to them. If the hospital adminitration feels strongly that they ought to be promoting breast feeding, they may find it somewhat of a conflict of interest to give out the formula samples.
LALAMOMMY
Posts: 343
8/2/07 8:56 A
I agree with anyone's decision to breastfeed or bottlefeed. I would never criticize someone for making a choice that's different than mine.
But here's a new one that I got -- I am going to try to breastfeed and my sister did not want to. She heard that I was going to try, so called me to lecture me about how breastfeeding was a bad choice! Has anyone ever heard of that one? The criticism is usually the other way around!
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8/2/07 8:42 A
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Edited by: MUMMEE_YUMMEE at: 8/29/2008 (10:59)
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Posts: 578
8/2/07 8:38 A
To continue from my last post. All they promote around here is formula... A few years ago, my sister and I went to the children's museum in our state and she was breastfeeding sitting on a bench out in public. You couldn't see any nipple or anything, but you could tell she was breastfeeding if you walked by. A museum worker walked up to her and started raising a big stink with her, saying it was making others feel uncomfortable. Finally she told my sister she would have to finish in the bathroom. My sister said "no, you wouldn't eat in the bathroom would you." I think around here you are made to feel more uncomfortable for feeding your baby the way nature intended and I hate it. It shouldn't be something that makes you or anyone else uncomfortable.
Sorry so long and a little off topic.
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Posts: 578
8/2/07 8:33 A
I also believe it is a personal choice. I know that breastfeeding is the most healthy and beneficial for baby, but for some people it's not right or they can't do it. I just got a coupon for a free bag once I get to the hospital, but it has formula samples in it. I plan to breastfeed. I love the bag, so I'm going to get it, but I would love if they gave you a choice of a bag with breastfeeding stuff in it. Breast pads, lansinoh, information, that would just be awesome. It seems as though around here all they promote is formula.
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Posts: 311
8/2/07 8:26 A
It should be the mothers choice..I totally agree with that. There are too many women who literally cannot breast feed or its so hard on them they get so stressed out and that isnt good for the baby either. I wasn't breast fed and I could point my finger at plenty of people who were who arent smarter or healthier than I am. I plan on breast feeding in the hospital but after that I most likely wont continue. I dont think anyone should badger anyone or not offer up helpful information for formula feeding simply because breastfeeding is the "best". Those moms who dont want to breast feed STILL arent going to breast feed...so now they are only going to be less educated about formula feeding. And for the moms who want to breast feed but simply cant..how will it make them feel? EVEN worse than they might already for not being able to b/c so many people are telling them they have To.
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8/2/07 8:08 A
I have had more than one friend who couldn't breastfeed for various reasons...breast reduction (huge boobs that were killing her), no milk production (??unknown to drs still!) etc. Hospitals should give you info on both and let you decide. Personally, I would like to try to BF, but if I can't, I don't want to be ostrisized for it! I know that here, they promote BF, but also realize that some women just can't! Fmla is expensive, and entails a little more work than whipping out a boob and if that's your choice, than fine. I don't think the inital comment was anything more than a good vent at the gov't interference...
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Posts: 2451
8/2/07 7:47 A
I think that we are forgetting that some women just cannot breastfeed. Personally, I can and and going to give it my best shot-pump when I go back to work, etc. My SIL, however, absolutely could not. I am not opposed to them putting all the info on breastfeeding in the package, but perhaps sending new mom's home with both alternatives would be a better option. BTW the reason my SIL could not breast feed was because she is taking a medication that would be dangerous to her baby and would be passed through her breast milk. It was upsetting to her that she could not breast feed.
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8/2/07 6:52 A
I think it's a great idea actually!
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SINCLAIRBABY
Posts: 91
8/2/07 6:41 A
I believe that of course breast milk is the best nutrition for your baby but for the mothers who are unable to breast feed due to physical disabilities or other circumstances can feel like less than women because of the government's decision. My suggestion is to have information and samples on both breastfeeding and formula feeding then each new mom can make an informed decision. But, we also have to remember that not getting free samples of formula does not mean that you cannot formula feed your child. The hospitals will have to provide formula for any child whose mother decides not to breastfeed while that child is in the hospital they will not give you any to go home with. Good luck to all.
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Posts: 277
8/2/07 12:18 A
It's seems to be part of the trend of the health police in our society. I'm thinking of the new bans on smoking, including (and I can't remember the state) trying to make it illegal for parents to smoke in a car with a child in it. I'm not a smoker, and I hate smoke, and agree that children should have a choice in what toxins they are exposed to, but that's not realistic. Is the next step going to be prosecuting parents who go through a drive-thru with a toddler in the back?
Yeah, I breastfeed, but it is a personal choice...and formula is expensive so any extra helps!
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Posts: 531
8/1/07 11:54 P
i heard about all kinds of laws now that you should not be forced to breast feed or pump in a bathroom if you have to go back to work. its nice that they are trying to put everyones health in mind, but sometimes its just impossible to breastfeed or someting happens. its kinda like telling an adult, you must drink water and milk, not sodas. why would they let these things be made in the first place if they dont want to let people use it. i guess it is all part of the new healthy lifestyle that the gvt. is trying to inforce. the funny thing is they are so rich and overpayed that they can afford to buy fresh vegetables everyday and have their significant others stay home and breast feed their baby all day. oh well, i guess i will leave it at that.
CHANCE010507
Posts: 531
8/1/07 11:52 P
i heard about all kinds of laws now that you should not be forced to breast feed or pump in a bathroom if you have to go back to work. its nice that they are trying to put everyones health in mind, but sometimes its just impossible to breastfeed or someting happens. its kinda like telling an adult, you must drink water and milk, not sodas. why would they let these things be made in the first place if they dont want to let people use it. i guess it is all part of the new healthy lifestyle that the gvt. is trying to inforce. the funny thing is they are so rich and overpayed that they can afford to buy fresh vegetables everyday and have their significant others stay home and breast feed their baby all day. oh well, i guess i will leave it at that.
LEVI_LANIE
Posts: 1642
8/1/07 11:22 P
I dont see why this should start any kind of argument. It is just someone posting how they feel about something. It is the same thing that everyone ones has done, just about something you may not like. I dont mean to be rude, but we are all allowed to our own thoughts. I do agree that everyone should be allowed to do what they want to do. It should be up to the mother on if she wants to use a bottle or breast. I was unable to breastfeed my son because of being sick. I did pump while I was able to. I do plan on breastfeeding this baby, but because I want to.
Edited by: LEVI_LANIE at: 8/1/2007 (23:27)
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8/1/07 11:11 P
I may be the minority, but I didn't take it as trying to provoke an agrument, just that she was very passionate about her feelings on the govn't interfering with our lives...which I have to agree with...I totally believe the gov't needs to keep their noses to themselves when it comes to what an individual's life choices are, whether it's B/F, Formula Feeding, or their Life Partner choice...they are personal decisions and should be left personal...I think that was her point, she just feels really strongly about it...although I could be wrong too...you never know
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Posts: 1706
8/1/07 9:27 P
I am not going to comment on what you said but I am going to comment on how you said it. Generally people do not post things trying to provoke arguments and anger others and I doubt I'm the only one who saw this post this way.
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8/1/07 9:27 P
I fully intend to breastfeed, but not because anyone says I have to or that Im a bad mom if I dont. I feel its a personal choice and whatever the mother thinks is best is best. My sister never breastfed, she tried and couldnt. I breastfed my two ds and thats just how I plan to start off, but who knows i may supplement formula after a few months...
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Posts: 96
8/1/07 8:42 P
So, the news in NYC is that the hospitals will soon yank the formula samples and formula info from the little freebie bags they send home and replace the info w/ breastfeeding info and the samples w/ breast pumps and the like. Super. This is now a federal issue. Largely comprised of men whom have never a. carried a human for 9 months, b. had breasts, and c. had to make the decision to breast or bottle feed.
Why has this become the business of anyone other than the parents of the newly born person? Who gives anyone the right to judge your decision? I have breastfed my 3 children, however, I am not certain I will be breastfeeding my 4th. Will he suffer some horrible childhood as a result? I think not. Breastfeeding is great, we have all read the countless studies....but formula is not satans tonic. I mean lets be realistic for a moment. How dare anyone try to make a new mother (1st or 15th child)feel less than worthy b/c of her personal decision to feed her child.
Breastfeeding is a NATURAL means of feeding a newborn human, and YES you should be able to do that in public w/o a second thought. Everyone else gets to eat in public - why should you have to hide your baby? Formula feeding is a perfectly acceptable AND healthy means of feeding a newborn human, and the breastmilk junkies and Government MEN should really keep their noses out of it!
Hell, it's not like women are objecting to breastfeeding and opting for Kool-Aide, Coca-Cola and Beer instead. Give me a Break!
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