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Sarah - Aaaargh! That is so frustrating - I'm sorry.


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So, got my GBS swab results today. After all my efforts, not only am I colonized, but I am what the lab called "heavily colonized." I had the same result when I was preg w/ my 2nd. Was GBS+ w/ my 1st but they didn't say heavily or normally colonized. I was on acidophilus, echinacea, garlic oral tablets, vit C supplement, and garlic clove vag suppositories to prevent GBS, in addition to my normal vitamins, RRL tea & other non-GBS related stuff. But I had that awful stomach bug the Monday a wk & 1/2 before my swab & wasn't able to take any of those supplements all that wk, but still did the garlic clove suppositories every night but two even that wk. Then my swab was the following Wed. when I had only been back on the supplements (and any real food) for basically 3 days. I had been on them all for the 2 wks prior to getting sick.

Doesn't that beat all? After all that effort? I told DH that if the GBS swab came back positive after all that "prevention" then I was gonna feel like someone took me on a snipe hunt.

So I'm going w/ ACOG's recommendation: have IV penicillin ready in case I fever during labor OR have ruptured membranes 18+hrs. I didn't want to go the oral abx route this time b/c that would mean a CERTAIN yeast infection.

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Good to hear, Tiffany!

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My GBS test came back negative! Yeah! I don't know if it was all the natural remedies or not, but I'm so happy to not have to worry about the antibiotic during labor.

Sarah, did you have your test done yet?

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I am starting my "anti-Group B strep" regimine today, as I have my test next Tuesday. I was reading in the midwives archives and several also mentioned using tea tree oil suppostiories (tampons soaked in the solution). Here is the link if anyone is interested. There's a bunch of stuff listed, but this one seemed to come up several times. Might be worth a try!

www.gentlebirth.org/archives.gbs
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I even got a clove of garlic down orally this morining. I chopped it, mixed it with honey, put it in my mouth, and swallowed it with water, like a pill. It wasn't too bad. But then the garlic flavor started coming, so I quickly ate some Wheat Thins to counter act that!
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Siddabelle, My MW said that I can have the GBS swab anywhere between 35 and 37 weeks, and I asked her to test me closer to 37 weeks, to let the Vit C, echinacea, & garlic (tablets & inserts) work. Plus, I figured it would be more accurate to take it later, since GBS presence can fluctuate over a few wks.


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Just got the test result today - negative!

Of course, I don't know how I would've tested without the garlic, but I was happy to get the neg. result.

I've heard of people doing 2 weeks instead of 1, but I don't know that there's a difference in results. Something I read advised to start with a very in-tact clove (not crushed or cut)in case your skin reacted to the raw garlic juice. Since I didn't have any irritation, over the course of the week I crushed or slit the garlic more and more to allow more of the juices to escape. It's possible the increased intensity helped.

When is your test, Sarah Carol?

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Siddabelle, what was the test result?

I started my 34th wk yesterday & I bought an echinacea (glycerin-suspended, not alcohol) tincture to use 2-5 times daily, a Vit C tablet (just to be safe), oral garlic tablets (more convenient b/c I don't think I could stomach eating raw cloves, even tho it would be healthier), AND I have been on acidophilus tablets daily since 3 or 4 mo along. I plan on doing the "other" garlic treatment as well & I'm curious to see your result to see if 1 wk ahead is early enough, since Mamadou got a pos test doing it for 5 nights. Maybe 2 wks ahead? Or should I start now? I was GBS+ w/ both my other 2 & I don't want it again.


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Got swabbed at my 36 wk appointment this morning & should get the results by Friday. I did the garlic thing for a week prior to the appointment, so I hope that helps. Fingers crossed...

Sarah Carol - I've read about other herbal measures that could be taken on

www.gentlebirth.org

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www.midwiferytoday.com

but I don't remember exactly what was prescribed.

Somewhere in there I read about a study that said raw garlic killed strep B, so I kept it simple and went with that, but there were many, many other suggestions.

ALSO, I just found this:
Herbal Treatments

Ideally, you will begin treatment at about 32 weeks, on confirmation of the presence of beta-strep in a vaginal culture, a urine sample that showed beta-strep, or a rectal sample. (Some doctors will do both a vaginal and rectal swab.) Treatment will include taking herbs orally that strengthen your immune system and applying herbs vaginally that will restore your healthy vaginal flora, that will enable your body to reduce bacterial overgrowth, and also that will directly fight the bacteria. As you enter the last few weeks of pregnancy, from 37 weeks onward (since your baby is unlikely to be premature), most midwives will be willing to assist you at home if this is your plan. In the hospital, your baby will also be considered close to full term and will not be treated as premature in most circumstances. At 37 weeks, you can therefore begin to use certain herbs both orally and vaginally that are sometimes considered labor stimulants, but are nonetheless effective for reducing bacterial infections.

At 32 weeks, begin to take a supplement of 500 mg of vitamin C, and 1 cup of burdock root and echinacea root infusion. To prepare the infusion, steep 1/2 ounce of each of these herbs in 4 cups of boiling water for 2 hours. Strain and take the above dose, storing the rest in the refrigerator for the next day.

Eat a lot of fresh garlic every day.

Take 1/2 teaspoon each of echinacea and astragalus tinctures twice daily. You can also get dried astragalus in the herb department of your health food store and cook two strips into a pot of rice or soup two to three times per week. Remove the strips when done cooking and eat the rice or soup. Astragalus is an immune system tonic well known in the Chinese pharmacopoeia, but also grows in America.

Garlic Remedies
Chop a clove of fresh garlic and mix with a teaspoon of honey. Swallow this without chewing it. This can be done several times a day, preferably with a meal.

Make a garlic elixir by blending 1/2 cup of honey, 1/4 cup of apple cider vinegar, and half a bulb of fresh garlic in your blender until liquidy. Take 1/2 teaspoon up to twice a day. Adjust the taste as necessary with more or less of the honey or vinegar. Chop fresh garlic onto a salad, or mix with olive oil to use as a dressing or dip French bread into this as a condiment.

Take garlic perles according to the dosage on the brand you purchase.


Edited by: MARTINE0692 at: 1/11/2006 (13:42)

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Midwives can deal with GBS at home births, it is always good to know what grade of GBS infection that you have. Some of the smaller infections can be treated with the things that have been posted, and some of the larger may need an antibiotic. Any Nurse Midwife can administer this in a home setting as well, or start a therapy orally the week of your due date... It is VERY important to take into consideration the implication of a yeast infection during this time... DOSE UP ON THE ACIDOPHOLIS!! and decrease your sugar intake!! VERY IMPORTANT.. If you end up with yeast issues and it goes systemic you can have major issues with breastfeeding... Do what ever you can to stay away from that!


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At what week is the test usually performed?

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I was GBS+ w/ both of my babies, and w/ my 1st (hospital birth), they told me I didn't have any choice but IV penicillin as soon as my water broke, preferably 2 bags of it before delivery, one bag of it every 4 hrs. They lied about that being the only safe option, but it was their standard procedure. I hate needles & I found the IV very uncomfortable (penicilling burned going into my arm), and I was stuck hooked up to it for 20 min. each time. (Some people aren't as bothered by IVs as me, maybe that would be fine for others.)

When I was planning my homebirth w/ my 2nd baby, my MW said that research shows that for a GBS+ mom, low-dose oral penicillin taken for the 2 wks before EDD is just as effective in clinical studies. We went that route w/ my homebirth, and she had a bag of IV penicillin ready in case I showed any danger signs such as fever during labor, but I didn't. It's important to watch both mom & baby for the 1st few hours & days after delivery to beware of fever as a warning sign of GBS infection, but baby & I were both fine.

I am trying prevention first (garlic, acidophilus, & echinacea), but if I test GBS+ this time as well, we will do the same as last time, oral penicillin as the first option w/ IV penicillin as the backup plan.


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Ashley-I have heard that they will also allow an oral regimen of antibiotics instead of IV antibiotics in the case of positive test results. But most homebirth midwives can deal with anything they need to.

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Thanks for the info Sarah. So I take it that if you test positive, a midwife will be able to deal with it at a homebirth? I don't know why I'm so nervous about this!


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I asked my MW yesterday what more I can be doing proactively to prevent a positive GBS screen in a few wks (I'm 33 wks now). I am taking 2 acidophilus (probiotics) tablets daily, and I plan on doing the, um, garlic treatment for 5 or 7 consecutive nights before my GBS screen. She said to start on an OTC echinacea supplement, either tincture in juice, or tablet form, doesn't matter. Echinacea is supposed to be an immune booster, and she said it is even safe for babies. She said to be sure that it doesn't have any goldenseal in it, though, since goldenseal is not safe during preg.


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If you do this a couple weeks before your due date, is it necessary to get tested even? I've heard that it shows up sometimes, and other times it doesn't anyway. I'm seriously considering trying to have a home birth, and I don't really want to have to worry about antibiotics.

Thanks for the info, by the way. I've read about using garlic to get rid of yeast infections, but I didn't know the best way to put it in/take it out! Thanks!


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I must admit that there is a small amount of odor when the garlic is inserted--noticeable when you go to the restroom and little things like that. BUT it does go away when the clove is out. (I made a mental note to myself when I did it last! lol)

Just remove your last clove well before the exam. Of course, taking a shower to "freshen up" never hurts before an internal exam anyway. Your doc or midwife shouldn't be wrinkling their nose and wondering what is up! lol

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Monica,
Thanks for the info- I vaguely remembered an old posting on this issue and planned on looking it up soon myself. My only question about this is: How much of an odor does this impart? I'm nervous about having a hoohoo that reeks of garlic! :-)

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Thanks Happymom!

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Gotcha covered, Sidda. Lemme copy and paste the garlic remedy from my community journal.

GROUP B STREP TESTING
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Garlic is a safe & natural healer.It's a antibacterial,antiviral & antifungal.Using a garlic clove suppository nightly can eliminate GBS bacteria.(can also be used to treat yeast infections & bacterial vaginosis)

Just before bed each evening (for a week or two before your GBS test & your due date)perform this ritual to eliminate Group B bacteria safely.

Peel the skin off one clove of garlic & squish it just a bit with your fingers.Don't crush it but release some juices.Then,cut a long, narrow strip of medical gauze & fold it in half lengthwise.Put the clove inside the fold at the top,then wrap the gauze once or twice around it to secure it.Then,insert it into your vagina as far as you can-using only your finger.

In the morning just use the gauze strip to remove it.

I have also used this remedy to prevent oncoming yeast infections.It works very well.


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