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SATTVA22
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10/8/06 2:31 P

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the type of cheese has nothing to do with whether it is pasteurized or not. you can buy pasteurized camembert in France and elsewhere.


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BUSTERNOODLE
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8/29/06 4:56 A

 
 
Does the heating of unpasteurized cheeses (eg: buffalo mozzarella or feta on pizza) reduce the risk at all?

IZOBELLE.BF
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8/17/06 11:43 P

 
 
MISPIG- those bacteria include e-coli and listeria. They can harm all people but most people develop immune systems that can respond to these bacteria by the time they are teenagers.

However, the weaker you are, the less likely you are to be able to respond to these things. That's why when you hear about an e-coli outbreak, you only hear about children and very old people dying. A fetus would also probably die if exposed to these bacteria which do attack people. People with AIDS also have to be extra careful.

If you eat unpasteurized milk and meat products, and even some juices like apple juice, what you are doing is increasing the risk that you might get e-coli or listeria (it's NOT guaranteed) which would act a lot like food poisoning in you, but which could kill your baby inside you.

You might get it, you might not. It's much, much, much more likely, though, if you don't eat pasteurized stuff.

It's worth keeping in mind that while pasteurization has its downsides, these are not nearly as severe as a hundred-fold increase in the death of your child. I think it would be really difficult to get all the calcium you need, as well.

KOAHUGHES
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8/17/06 2:07 P

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No unpasteurized cheese and milk products, or honey. Unless cooked well- No cold lunch meat, raw fish, red meat, chicken, hot dogs, or pates.
And no changing the kitty litter!
You can put yourself and baby at risk with these things, and no one wants that.

Pasteurization:
Definition:
The heating of every particle of milk or milk product to a specific temperature for a specified period of time without allowing recontamination of that milk or milk product during the heat treatment process.

Purpose:
1. Public Health Aspect - to make milk and milk products safe for human consumption by destroying all bacteria that may be harmful to health.

2. Keeping Quality Aspect - to improve the keeping quality of milk and milk products. Pasteurization can destroy some undesirable enzymes and many spoilage bacteria. Shelf life can be 7, 10, 14 or up to 16 days.


Edited by: KOAHUGHES at: 8/17/2006 (14:14)


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IZOBELLE.BF
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8/17/06 1:06 A

 
 
FYI to the person who wrote that many European countries have these cheeses and so it's okay to eat them-

In France, pregnant women are followed VERY carefully for both listeria and toxoplasmosis. They are advised to eat only well-done meat and only pasteurized cheeses, no camembert. I know because I had a consultation with a doctor there while pregnant.

Moreover- though in some countries they do not tell women to eat only pasteurized, be sure to check out the infant mortality and to-term rates of that country. All medical advice is not equal.

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7/15/06 11:28 A

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I know giving honey isn't good to give babies, when they get older. I dont't think it will hurt, but better ask your DR.


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Back to honey... I have about 1 Tbs. of honey in my hot tea very day. The bottle says "Grade A" but not the word "pasteurized". Does Grade A mean pasteurized? Is honey ok once it's heated from the tea, like eating lunch meat once it's heated to steaming?


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7/14/06 1:53 P

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LAURENEFRAME,
From what I understand from some MDs is that if you eat subway, or lunch meat in moderation, you are fine, but if it's an every day thing, you MAY (not will) have some problems from the listeria (sp) but I still go to Subway/Quiznos sometimes and don't worry about it. I think the key to most things is in moderation. I know a lot of preggos that eat and ate lunch meat while pg, and nothing happened. If you are concerned about it, you are supposed to heat up the lunch meat until steaming, and that will kill the nasty stuff. Good luck, and I am sure other people have a different opinion on this, but this is what I have been doing. Lindsay


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ELEMENI
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7/14/06 10:09 A

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Pasturization is good...its the homogonyzation that is bad. You want to stick with nonhomogonyzed milk because the process causes the fat molecules to stick together and they stick together in your system then too.


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UPITO009
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7/14/06 9:00 A

 
 
hi, don't worry and eat feta as much as you want.I come from a country that people eat that kind of cheese for ages.My baby is for 17-th of December.Good luck.

OMEGA01
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hope this helps.

Edited by: OMEGA01 at: 4/29/2006 (11:49)

MILLGIRL
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4/24/06 4:11 P

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Hi,

Just an FYI, it depends where you live as well, in Canada it is illegal to sell nonpasteurized cheese, so everything including the bries and fetas of the world are pasteurized (yeah!). So just make sure to check the labels b/c there may be a lot less unpasteurized stuff then you think.

As far as pasteurized being bad for you, I think the line of thinking is that it is actually good for you to have some bacteria in your system to boost the immune system. As far as I know in some European countries there is a lot of unpasteurized cheeses available and no greater risk of m/c. There are some studies out there that show that people actually develop more illness from the pasteurized stuff. I don't know a lot about it, but I think that is the basic info.


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KOAHUGHES
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4/19/06 11:08 P

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When a woman is pregnant she should avoid UNPASTEURIZED dairy...soft cheeses such as; feta (you can buy pasteurized feta), brie, camember, mexican style cheese and blue veined cheese, unless they are fully cooked in a food dish.
Hard, PASTEURIZED dairy such as; cheddar, cheese slices, cream cheese, cottage cheese and yogurt can be safely consumed when you are pregnant.
Always drink pasteurized milk as well (grocerie stores only sell pasteurized milk)
I can't imagine cutting out all dairy is a good thing to do though. As long as you are eating pasteurized dairy, everything should be fine! Just look at the packaging, it will say pasteurized or not.


Edited by: KOAHUGHES at: 4/20/2006 (12:47)


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4/19/06 6:02 P

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Why would pasturized food be bad? Pasturization only means that the food is heated to kill bacteria. That's why we've heard to stay away from UNpasturized food while we are pregnant. I hate to think of people not consuming milk and cheese because of some bad information or rumors!

MELBELLE_80
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2/8/06 2:07 P

 
 
Most of the feta cheese I have found in the grocery stores is made with pasturized milk, so it is safe to eat.

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1/22/06 8:00 P

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My mother-in-law is a high risk pregnancy nurse....she has told not to eat soft cheeses and definately NO HONEY. I also dont eat red meat unless its well done....you can get toxoplasmosis from undercooked meat and changing kitty litter. I get my calcium from eating TUMS.Just take your prenatal vitamins and eat sensibly. Make sure you get plenty of folic acid..before and after your pregnant....It helps prevent spinal defects.
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PAMCAKES
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1/7/06 10:40 P

 
 
What about unpasteurized honey?

Not sure why, but the cheeses I've heard that are unpasteurized are the soft cheeses, like feta, brie, camembert, etc. Safe cheeses are apparently cheddar and the harder cheeses.

Edited by: PAMCAKES at: 1/7/2006 (22:41)

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1/7/06 9:19 P

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I realize that most milk and cheese these days are pasteurize but what kinds of cheese aren't pasteurized...Feta Cheese? A woman my husband works with told him that I wasn't supposed to eat it. Is this why?



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ASHLEYPHOTO
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1/6/06 4:34 P

 
 
you should eat pasturized cheese while pregnant, i didn't think it mattered until i ate some Brie and i got real sick for a week, and hopefully it didn't affect my unborn baby.
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11/11/05 9:12 A

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I am sure there are reasons why people don't like to eat pasteurized products.. but please remember that there is a reason why pasteurization was developed... and now that you are pregnant.. you really have to be careful about what you put into your body and how certain food and drink can really harm your baby....


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MISPIG
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11/7/05 1:34 P

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I suppose I'm just going to have to cut it out... and find calcuim another way, because i don't believe pasteurized is any good for you anyway... so ... any advice on how i can get more calcium???


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11/7/05 1:48 A

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Unpasteurized milk and cheeses can make you sick anytime, but particulary when you are expecting, as the immune system is somewhat surpressed. These foods along with raw or undercooked meats, fish, shellfish, poultry, eggs, unwashed raw vegetables, and deil meats can contain listeria, a bacteria that can cause "listeriosis". Listeria, unlike other germs, enters the bloodstream directly and can therefore get to the baby quickly via the placenta. Listeriosis symptoms can mirror the flu or be mistaken for pregnancy side effects, and in serious cases cause meningitis or a bloodstream infection and other things. Also for the expectant mother, infection can lead to premature labour, miscarriage or still birth, or infection of the fetus. This is why it is advised for pregnant women to stay away from risky foods that carry listeria.


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MISPIG
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11/6/05 4:28 P

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Before becoming pregnant I went on an all natural/organic kick. Which includes raw cheese and milk, however I've heard I should eat these while pregnant. Apparently it contains some bacterica (that is also in deli meats) "that doesn't harm not people" but can cause miscarriage or stillbirth... How true can this be, and does it mean I should just cut out cheese and milk all together... I really think that pasteurized foods are worse for people than unpasteurized... so I'm just in a pickle here... Any advice would be appreciated


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